[Womoz] Womoz Digest, Vol 11, Issue 10

[Tiffney Mortensen]

Agreed. It would have been nice to see some constructive suggestions for dealing with this issue, as well as finding ways to connect professionally with men. Not all guys are chest thumping frat boys. Perhaps Mozilla is unique but in general people take gender equality for granted around here. We don't have a full gender balance quite yet and occasionally it can feel male-dominated, but that's more of a byproduct of the fact that there are more male employees, rather than a "good old boys' club."

I like Katie's point about avoiding inflammatory communication. Responding to the jerks out there with "OMG SEXISM PATRIARCHS HATE YOUR FACES ALL OF YOU !!!1!!!!111!!!!!" just reinforces the stereotype that women are (a) nuts (b) less professional than men and (c) too emotional to get work done. Venting frustration can be useful, but only if it's done in a way that integrates humor, constructive advice, or self-scrutiny so that others feel invited to participate in the conversation.

T

----- Original Message -----
From: "Majken Connor" <majken at gmail.com>
To: womoz at lists.womoz.org
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Womoz] Womoz Digest, Vol 11, Issue 10


I'm sorry, I didn't find this article offensive to women. I can clearly see that the author doesn't agree with all the stereotypes about women being incapable. However the author is more than happy to stereotype back and includes some blatant lies. 



On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Kate Guernsey < katie at mozillafoundation.org > wrote: 


Majken- 

It starts at "Now, you certainly don't have to be obsessive and single-focused to actually be a good coder, but you do to be perceived as one. So if you're a woman, you're automatically not serious enough! Awesome, no?" 

goes until... "So I'm moving to DW for my feminist principles! \o/ " 

And I'm not saying s/he is speaking to other females. I'm saying s/he is speaking to the "majority of her colleagues" which we know to be mostly male. My anecdote about how I relate to men at times illustrates this pretty clearly. Read it again (and my message) and I think you'll see it... especially when she (I'm betting it's a woman) relates to being linked to "Dorothea of Caveat Lector." 

We can all agree it's poorly written... but we should recognize that she is using a communication style that is pervasive in her network. Perhaps that can be a point of departure at Whistler... attempt to change inflammatory communication! 

Katie 







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